02/01/2020
THE ROSEBUD.
This article, when first posted, blatantly claimed that the Rosebud's life did not end at Rosebud and the author must have read the rubbishing I gave it on the History of Dromana to Portsea page, pointing out that there were two Rosebuds of vastly different tonnages operating concurrently, that James Purves had bought the schooner before the 1855 stranding, and that several court cases proved that the wreck was insured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosebud_(schooner)]
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Rosebud was a schooner originally built at Henry Barrick, Whitby, Yorkshire (England), of oak, coppered and copper-fastened in 1841, the vessel was 21.7 meters (71.1 feet) long, had a breadth of 5.9 meters (19.3 feet), and a depth of 3.8 meters (12.6 feet).[1][2]
Ownership[edit]
The Vessel is known to have been sold sometime in January 1855, to James Purves from Luttrell Bros. (The company owned by the grandparents of Dr. Edmund Hobson and his illegitimate brother Edward William Hobson). It appears that the vessel had a different configuration of sails at the time of selling being that of a Brigantine.[3] James Purves stated he was owner and was a plaintiff in a number a court cases over a two-year period, over the insurance claim of the vessel.
Fate and Grounding location[edit]
It is thought that the vessel has beached and wrecked in Rosebud on 2 June 1855,[4] though historical newspaper evidence disputes this claim. A series of court cases brought by James Purves,[5][6][7][8] showed the in fact the vessel was abandoned, the advertised location of the vessel is stated to be a mile from Arthurs Seat closer to Mt Martha and not South.,[9] and also lay intact with little damage and for a period of almost two years, considering the first advertisement so far found from 28 December 1855[10] to the last on 23 December 1857, with the vessel being sold to the highest bidder at 12pm by H.A. Coffy on behalf of the underwriters of the vessel W.M. Tennent and Co. at the Hall of Commerce in Collins Street. Based on this information it is high likely that the vessel was indeed salvaged.
More information to be uncovered[edit]
Considering the number of legal cases that ran over a two-year period around the vessel by James Purves, it is highly likely that a large amount of factual information lies undisclosed from the cases, in the Public Record Office Victoria.
Purves v. Smyth - At least two cases.
Purves v. Kent - One case.
Purves v. Martin - At least two cases.
There is also a second vessel called Rosebud also a schooner around at the time that the Purves owned ship lay abandoned in 1856. Shipping intelligence shows[11] another "Rosebud" schooner entering in and out of Port Phillip bay, it may be possible that once sold the salvaged vessel Rosebud was renamed.
Urban Myth[edit]
Advertising for the vessel also stated that the vessel has all it tackle and gear, on board the ship.[12] This now raises substantial questions about how Rosebud was named as it looks like the ship was not ransacked or plundered, it had been stated by Isobelle Moresby in her 1955 brochure "Rosebud, Flower of the Peninsula",[13] that "her planks made fishermen's huts and fences, and house wives delighted in her salvaged damask." The article also points out that the original name of the town Rosebud was in fact Wul-Wulu-Buluk[14][15] cited by Isobelle Moresby as "Wooloowoolooboolook" and not Banksia Point as some people think.
References[edit]
^ "Wrecksite – Rosebud Schooner 1841-1855". Retrieved 23 September 2016.
^ "Advertising - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 10 January 1855". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-23.
^ "Advertising - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 11 January 1855". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Victorian Heritage Database". vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "County Court of Bourke - Wednesday, 28th November, 1855. £200 Jurisdiction (Before His Honor Judge Pohlman and Two Assessors) Purves V. Smyth - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - 29 November 1855". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "County Court of Bourke - Wednesday, 28th November, 1855. £200 Jurisdiction (Before His Honor Judge Pohlman and Two Assessors) Purves V. Smyth - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - 29 November 1855". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "County of Bourke - £200 Jurisdiction. Monday, May 19th. (Before his Honor R. W.Pohlinan, Judge, and Messrs. Laing and Marres, assessors.) Purves V. Kent - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 21 May 1856". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Law Report - Supreme Court. Old Court. Sittings in Banco. Thursday, 2nd July, 1857. (Before their Honors the Chief Justice, Mr. Justice Barry, and Mr. Justice Williams.) Gray V. Aarons - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - 3 July 1857". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Advertising - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 23 December 1857". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Advertising - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 28 December 1855". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Shipping Intelligence – Arrived (Hobson's Bay) - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.: 24 May 1856". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Advertising - The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - 1 October 1857". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ "Rosebud wins a name! -". Trove. Retrieved 2016-09-24.
^ McCrea, George Gordon (1911). "Recollections of Melbourne and Port Phillip Bay" (PDF).
^ ‘I Succeeded Once’: The Aboriginal Protectorate on the Mornington Peninsula,1839–1840. http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downl…/…/p110711/pdf/ch057.pdf. p. 176.
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Just like Terry Wright who had Rosebud West's name changed to Capel Sound, the author has done significant research, but not quite enough.
Firstly he suggests that the original name of Rosebud was not Banksia Point but Wooloowoolooboolook, but did not read enough of I SUCCEEDED ONCE to discover Marie Hansen Fel's conclusion (after exhaustive research) that this was the name of George Smith's homestead on the Tootgarook run, not a separate run, (and was therefore near Leonard St Rye.)
Secondly, there is no mention of the location of the stranding stated in the first court case (Between White Cliff and Arthurs Seat) or the proof in another case that.the stranding happened on the SOUTH coast of Port Phillip not the EAST coast (as claimed by one of the brokers because any damage at the latter was not covered by the policy.)
Thirdly, the article mentions the Rosebud being near Mount Martha. If the location given was correct, that would mean that the vessel had been refloated from the SOUTH coast BETWEEN WHITE CLIFF AND ARTHURS SEAT, which the plaintiff, James Purves, would have known well even if he didn't reside there, The Rosebud, full of water and sand, must have miraculously re-floated itself or was dragged underwater by powerful currents which would have done little for its structural integrity.
Either those advertising the sale of the Rosebud had no idea where the vessel was lying or if Purves v Smyth 1855 is to be believed the Rosebud had been stranded twice. The latter is hard to believe-but wait, there's more. The shattered wreck has one more chance and heroically, in a last gasp effort, makes its own way from MOUNT ELIZA back to Mount Martha, which would lead anyone who doesn't believe in miracles to conclude that the people describing its location had no idea.
TENDERS required for Floating the Rose-
bud from her present position, as she
now lies about one mile from Arthur's Seat.
Apply to George Smyth, 49 Collins-street
west.(P.3, Argus, 1-1-1856.)
As the sources are not numbered after the article I presume that [9], quoted for the following statement, would be similar to the above advertisement for tenders.
"A series of court cases brought by James Purves,[5][6][7][8] showed the in fact the vessel was abandoned, the advertised location of the vessel is stated to be a mile from Arthurs Seat closer to Mt Martha and not South.,[9]"
There is nothing in the 1-1-1856 advertisement to support the claim that the mile was north, not south of Arthurs Seat. This would be an assumption based on another advertisement claiming the vessel was lying on the beach at Mt Martha.
MONDAY, 6th OCTOBER.
For the Benefit of All Concerned.
Sold by Order of the Underwriters.
WM. TENNENT and CO. are instructed by
the Underwriters to sell by auction, at their
rooms, Collins street, on Monday, 5th October, at
twelve o'clock,
The Schooner ROSEBUD,
As she now lies stranded, near Mount Eliza, in the
Port Phillip Bay, together with all the tackle, gear,
&c , now on board.(P.7, The Age, 3-10-1857.)
WEDNESDAY, 23rd DECEMBER
Wreck
Schooner ROSEBUD
Hall of Commerce, Collins street,
Without Reserve, to the Highest Bidder,
For the Benefit of Whom It may Concern.
HA COFFEY has been favored with
instructions to sell by auction, at the Hall
of Commerce Collins street, on Wednesday, 23rd inst,
at eleven o'clock, -
The Schooner ROSEBUD,
as she now lies wrecked on the beach at Mount
Martha. She was built at Whitby (England), of oak,
and substantially put together, and is considered not
to have received very much damage.
To be sold, with all faults, as she now lies, to the
highest bidder. (P.2, Argus, 19-12-1857.)
EVIDENCE THAT THE ROSEBUD DID REMAIN AT ROSEBUD UNTIL ALL TRACES OF IT WERE REMOVED.
1.The boxing match tragedy at "The Rosebud" in 1867.
The location of THE ROSEBUD is muddied, if you'll excuse the pun, by a witness at the inquiry into Rockett's conduct stating that THE ROSEBUD was on the island, meaning Mud Island. Remembering that the area on the Rosebud side of Arthurs Seat had no official name apart from Wannaeue which meant nothing to most people,with Dromana being used to describe it, the following article makes it clear that fight had been transferred to the Rosebud area.
THE DROMANA CATASTROPHE.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5772929
"William Johnston a fisherman at the Rosebud"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/185503652;
2.The locality name being used in regard to Wannaeue Village in 1870.
A SALE of CROWN LANDS by public auction will be held at 2 o'clock of Wednesday, 20th April, 1870, at tho auction rooms of Messrs.Gemmell, Tuckett, and Co., Colllns-street west, Melbourne.
Tho following lots will be offered :VILLAGE LOTS.
County of Mornington, parish of Wannaene (Wannaeue), at Rosebud, adjoining Burrell's pre-empttvo sectlon, on Port
Phillip Bay. Upset prlce. £8 per acre. Allotments 1 to 23, 2 roods to 1a. 3r. 39p.(P.7, Argus, 8-4-1870.)
3. The government's choice of name for the Rosebud Fishing Village in 1872.
4. Mitch Lacco, born 1883, confirming that the cairn on the foreshore marks the correct location of the wreck.
EventBirth Event registration number7534 Registration year1883
Personal information
Family nameLACCO Given namesPatrick Mitchell SexUnknown Father's nameFort Mother's nameElizabeth (King) Place of birthCARL
5.Maggie Hazledine's 1897 letter.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196845554
EXTRACT.
" I shall now endeavor to describe a trip, I, with others, had
to Cape Schanck. We were a large party and left Dromana about 10 a.m. The road here skirts the Bay (Port Phillip) and along it we drove, past the Rocks and the South Channel light house, with the keeper's and assistant keepers neat quarters ; through the village of Rosebud whose inhabitants are mostly engaged fishing. This I know is a precarious living, as I resided among these people for some years.
This township derives its name from a schooner, the Rosebud, which was wrecked here in the "early fifties," It is not long since the keel was dug out of the sands by some of the residents."
